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- From: drizzit@eskimo.com (G. Baldwin)
- Subject: Re: 1996 Amiga Home Computer?
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- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:29:17 GMT
-
- Martin Leslie Baker (mlb@rekab.demon.co.uk) wrote:
- : There's been lot's of discussion here lately about the future of our
- : beloved machine. PPC or not, Memory Protection or not, PCI or not.
- : Lots of questions, lots of different views.
-
- : What I've spent in the last 3 years would buy me a really good P130 today,
- : but I preferred the modular approach of expanding my system as and when
- : I've needed to, and of course I preferred the AmigaOS.
-
- How true, Pentiums are cheap, and add on sound gards & grfx cards are
- also cheap, or they just come with the systems. But then, you get to
- run Windows on it... whee! 8)
-
- : In '96 I will almost certainly continue to upgrade, a much bigger HD first,
- : then probably an 060 with 8 MB.
-
- Good for you! Its always nice to see people out there that put some
- upgrades into their computers. Hearing people with Stock A500's with
- KS 1.3 complain that they can't play DOOM on their systems gets a
- little old after a while.
-
- : So what's my point. Well it's dead simple. The Amiga is no longer the best
- : value for money machine around, not by a long shot. It is the cheapest
- : Home Computer, it does come with some very good productivity software that
- : let's you do quite a few different things. However it is simply years
- : behind everything else.
-
- "Cheapest" can definantly be viewed in 2 ways here - lowest cost and
- least power. It is no longer "inexpensive". That implies a good
- value for a good product.
-
- : In 1990, a humble 1 MB A500 could play games as well as the popular PCs,
- : it could do a lot of things as well as the PCs. Now, an A1200 costs about
-
- The Amiga started loosing it back in 1989. When VGA came out, the
- PC's surpassed the Amiga's gfx. Yes we had HAM, but you can't play
- games well in HAM... When they hit SVGA, the Ami was lost there and
- then. (Yes it took them what, 4 years to get VESA standard SVGA? But
- they still had SVGA...) When the A1200 came out, the basic PC system
- was what, a 486/66? And we had a 020/14? Hmm... something ain't
- right here.
-
- : Bottom line is this, if I were buying a system from scratch today, I
- : wouldn't even consider an Amiga, it's too old and too damn expensive.
-
- Agreed. Even before C= went under, $400 for an A1200 was not cost
- effective compared to the PC's. Now its even worse.
-
- : As for the new Amigas, if they ever arrive, ATg have really got to be
- : looking at PPC, or at the very least an 060 @ >50 MHz, and with much faster
- : video by the end of '96. 6 MB at least with at least .5 GB drive as
- : standard, selling at todays price. If not ATg will die.
-
- : But we must all remember what sold Amigas in volume, value for money
- : combined with the fact that _anyone_ could buy their Amiga, take it home,
- : plug it into the TV and use it.
-
- : Just my 2 cents, 2 pence, 2 whatever.
-
- Heh, if you may, I'd like to add my 2 cents here... 8)
-
- The Amiga has always had to sell in 2 very different markets - North
- America and Europe. Here in the States, larger more powerful systems
- were more common, yet in Europe, they wanted low price (which meant
- less power). The A500 fit both markets well, but the A1200 did not.
- Simply, it was too little, too weak, too late.
-
- 1) The low end for the Amiga is different. A machine with an 020/14,
- 2MB of mem, and AGA might of been nice for those bargin hunters in
- Europe, but here in the states, Software (for ANY platform) needs more
- than that. An 030/33 with 4MB of memory, hard disk, and CDROM (2x
- speed) would of been just right. But it never happened.
-
- 2) Everyone is clammoring for new machines. But the question is, what
- shall they have? I look around, and people want 68030s in their
- A1300s. I can't belive that it will be 1996 in a mere 2 hours here.
- An 030? Are Amiga owners so desperate for compute power in their
- Amiga's that a mere 030 will do? This is 1996 we are moving into.
- These machines will be the main line till 1997 - and an 030 just won't
- do! Escom has a great oppertunity to drop a PPC601/66 into their low
- end machines. It will still emulate 680x0 code faster than a 030/25
- runs it in real time. Native Amiga PPC apps will fly. And PPC601/66
- chips aren't that much $$$... Drop the 680x0 line like a rock (btw,
- for those of you who think that we should drop an EC040 or EC060 into
- the new Amigas should look at the cost of a memory subsystem for these
- machines - its quite high. You will never reach the low cost that you
- are looking for) and move on up to PPC.
-
- Escom really does need to look at the NA and Euro markets as more than
- "Ooooh oooi.. 4000 there... OOOohh Oooi... 1200 there... 'dats
- it...". It needs to push and market the machines differently. And it
- needs to find new niche markets to build the Amiga line back up into
- mainstream hands. (A low cost PPC Internet machine for NA... A
- game/educational machine for Europe... A high quality Desktop Video
- machine for NA... A home computer for the guy that hates to deal with
- IRQs and CONFIG.COM files here in NA... anything else)?
-
- I also like how focused Escom is about what it does. It wanted
- machines to be put back into production, it did it. It didn't go off
- and say that it would do 50 things and not live up to them (ala C=).
- I can see that this is giving the company some bad PR with eager
- people, waiting to see if they should dump Escom for safer waters in
- PC land. But give it time. They have Amigas in production, now let
- them work on the next project - a new Upgrade of our beloved OS for a
- new line of machines.
-
- Happy New Year and all... Best wishes to You and the folks over at Escom.
-
- Greg Baldwin (drizzit@eskimo.com)
- * Amiga Junkie since 1987
- * WWW @ http://www.eskimo.com/~drizzit/
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